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[The Jackal]

How many kids in that picture will be tested 2 or 3 times this week? Would that not make them safer? If they do get mild Covid, will they get the cardiac screening athletes have been getting for 2 months now? How many are at risk of being kicked out of their favorite activity and possibly losing a scholarship for being in the bars?

Let me ask you this -

If there is a virus that requires cardiac screenings for college students, isn't that a good enough reason for a school to take it seriously?

They do take it seriously. That’s why they do screenings. There are several viruses that cause myocarditis including flu and adenovirus (bronchitis). While it usually resolves on its own without even being diagnosed, Myocarditis is estimated to be responsible for 20% of sudden cardiac death in athletes. The problem is not new. I wouldn’t be surprised if it killed Phiddipedes. SCHSL requires all coaches to train in sudden cardiac death. The “good” thing about Covid is that it has brought attention to this problem. If you have a bad bout with a virus, you should get screened or take it easy for several weeks before going back to your full workout. If the protocols in use are not sufficient to mitigate myocarditis risk to acceptable levels, then it follows logically that sports should be shut down for good since flu and other viruses definitely cause fatal cases in athletes.

There are essentially four problems, as I see it:

1) Isolation - Colleges cannot really isolate or quarantine athletes. Professional organizations can - they play sports for a living. Taking a student out of the college environment/classes only because he or she is an athlete sort of takes the "student" out of the "athlete."

2) Testing - Can smaller schools afford to do as much testing as larger universities? Some argue that the wealth gap is pretty apparent here:

3) Quarantine - What do you do if a player/coach tests positive? In the MLB, they will shut down an entire team and postpone games to complete further testing and contact tracing, as occurred with the Cincinnati Reds this weekend. If professional sports organizations will shut down everything for a single positive test, how does a college football team (with well over 100 players) handle that? How would they handle it during the season? You can't just postpone the game and make it up with a double header.

4) Other Team's Compliance - At some point, every program is at the mercy of complete buy in from everyone. Take Liberty, whose coach just announced their program had not been testing because no players were symptomatic. The ACC programs with Liberty on the schedule, predictably, flipped out. If you can't trust your opponent to get with the program, you can't play them.

[apaladin]

MLB is being heavily criticized, especially the commish for letting each team decide what they are going to do. Shutting the Reds down because of one positive test is ridiculous. Isolate that player and carry on.
There is a report out now that the Big10 never even voted. Many have said their/his decision was politically motivated. Very sad.

[The Jackal]

[Furmanoid]

How many kids in that picture will be tested 2 or 3 times this week? Would that not make them safer? If they do get mild Covid, will they get the cardiac screening athletes have been getting for 2 months now? How many are at risk of being kicked out of their favorite activity and possibly losing a scholarship for being in the bars?

Let me ask you this -

If there is a virus that requires cardiac screenings for college students, isn't that a good enough reason for a school to take it seriously?

They do take it seriously. That’s why they do screenings. There are several viruses that cause myocarditis including flu and adenovirus (bronchitis). While it usually resolves on its own without even being diagnosed, Myocarditis is estimated to be responsible for 20% of sudden cardiac death in athletes. The problem is not new. I wouldn’t be surprised if it killed Phiddipedes. SCHSL requires all coaches to train in sudden cardiac death. The “good” thing about Covid is that it has brought attention to this problem. If you have a bad bout with a virus, you should get screened or take it easy for several weeks before going back to your full workout. If the protocols in use are not sufficient to mitigate myocarditis risk to acceptable levels, then it follows logically that sports should be shut down for good since flu and other viruses definitely cause fatal cases in athletes.

There are essentially four problems, as I see it:

1) Isolation - Colleges cannot really isolate or quarantine athletes. Professional organizations can - they play sports for a living. Taking a student out of the college environment/classes only because he or she is an athlete sort of takes the "student" out of the "athlete."

2) Testing - Can smaller schools afford to do as much testing as larger universities? Some argue that the wealth gap is pretty apparent here:

3) Quarantine - What do you do if a player/coach tests positive? In the MLB, they will shut down an entire team and postpone games to complete further testing and contact tracing, as occurred with the Cincinnati Reds this weekend. If professional sports organizations will shut down everything for a single positive test, how does a college football team (with well over 100 players) handle that? How would they handle it during the season? You can't just postpone the game and make it up with a double header.

4) Other Team's Compliance - At some point, every program is at the mercy of complete buy in from everyone. Take Liberty, whose coach just announced their program had not been testing because no players were symptomatic. The ACC programs with Liberty on the schedule, predictably, flipped out. If you can't trust your opponent to get with the program, you can't play them.

I kinda think number 3 is part of the problem. For some reason pro sports have leaned toward this zero tolerance of positives idea that leads to shutting down a lot. That might be because their players are older, they are no longer motivated as much by pure love of the game and are more risk averse, and pro sports developed protocols when much less was known about the virus. But shutting down 25 negative guys because of 5 positive guys just doesn’t make much sense unless there is creepy stuff going on.

If colleges have that same model, then they have to try to stay at zero positives which will be impossible. Isolating players in some sort of bubble is just wrong. It says we care about these hundred guys but not the thousands paying the bills. They can, however, use a good bit of coercion to make players at least follow the rules the regular students will be violating. When a few people test positive, isolate them. There is no reason to believe they spread it to everybody else since, after all, everybody else tested negative. According to the WHO asymptomatic spread on any large scale is possible but very unlikely.

Testing costs probably knocked DII, DIII and much of FBS out until technology gets cheaper. It likely has no impact on Big 10 schools and probably not much on FU. It’s probably low hundreds K. Maybe less than 100K.

It is no big deal to demand to see the opponents records. With Liberty, I guess I see the freak out but the NCAA rules focus on game weeks. ACC shouldn’t worry about a Liberty player who was asymptomatic positive in July or early August. It is unlikely (according to the WHO) that he spread to anyone at the time and quite impossible that he could do it in late September.

[Thorny]

Why do you and UNC's Dean of public Health hate America?

[gman84]

I'm waiting on Rod Serling to tell me you have just entered, "The Twilight Zone."

[FUBeAR]

Let me ask you this -

If there is a virus that requires cardiac screenings for college students, isn't that a good enough reason for a school to take it seriously?

My goodness, Jackal, you are right again!

Causes of myocarditis
* Viral infection
* Cytomegalovirus, Hepatitis C, Herpes, HIV, and Parvovirus, among others
* Bacterial infection (e.g., Borrelia (Lyme disease), chlamydia, mycoplasma, streptococcal, staphylococcal)
* Certain medications (e.g., chemotherapy and radiation therapy)
* Toxins (e.g., metal poisons, snake bites, spider bites)
* Autoimmune disorders (e.g., lupus, rheumatoid arthritis)

We MUST ban College Football until we have eradicated the world of Herpes, HIV, Strep Throat, ticks, chlamydia, and spiders & snakes!

Just as Lions & former UGa QB Matt’s uncle, Coach Jim Stafford, once told us...

[Furmanoid]

Why do you and UNC's Dean of public Health hate America?

Seems a little fishy that kids hit campus, got infected, scheduled a test, got tested, got results in time for this guy to see the results and start freaking out in one week. If UNC gets out of the college business like he wants, do you guess he’s willing to find another job?

[FUBeAR]

There are essentially four red herrings, as I see it:

1) Isolation - Colleges cannot really isolate or quarantine athletes. Taking a student out of the college environment/classes only because he or she is an athlete sort of takes the "student" out of the "athlete." - YOU OBVIOUSLY DIDN’T PLAY FOR FORMER FU HEAD COACH DICK SHERIDAN & APPARENTLY, DON’T HAVE A REALISTIC GRASP OF HOW SEGMENTED STUDENT-ATHLETES ARE FROM THE NARP’s AT MOST SCHOOLS, MOST OF THE TIME

2) Testing - Can smaller schools afford to do as much testing as larger universities? IS THE NEWLY APPROVED SalivaDirect TEST A GAME-CHANGER HERE? DID OHIO STATE, MICHIGAN, AND OREGON CANCEL THEIR SEASONS BECAUSE THEY COULDN’T AFFORD TESTING OR BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO SHOW SOLIDARITY WITH THEIR UNDER-RESOURCED COMRADES AS THEY AMPLIFY POLICIES TO CLOSE THE “WEALTH GAP” (interesting phrase to use in this Athletics conversation) IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL. (Hint: the abbreviated answer to both of those questions is NFW!)

3) Quarantine - SEE #1 AND APPLY COMMON SENSE...LIBERALLY

4) Other Team's Compliance - IF THE NCAA & CONFERENCES DON’T ABDICATE THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES, THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER 9,754,723 COMPLIANCE RULES THESE ORGANIZATIONS DEVELOP AND EFFECTIVELY (in most cases) MANAGE

[Furmanoid]

At UNC a whopping 0.4% of students have tested positive for something with a 99.97% survival rate, so they are shutting down real classes and becoming a phony school.

[FUBeAR]

At UNC a whopping 0.4% of students have tested positive for something with a 99.97% survival rate, so they are shutting down real classes and becoming a phony school.

You’re mind is not right! GET IN THE BOX!!

If I ciphered correctly, this means that UNC has a 0.43% that 1 student may die of Covid!!! UNACCEPTABLE!!

...Of course, with a student population of approximately 20k, according to CDC & Johns Hopkins studies, they project to have 131 students die this year.

64 of those will be from accidents, 26 from suicides, 24 from homicides, 7 from cancer, 4 from heart disease, 2 from congenital abnormalities, 1 from diabetes, 1 from chronic lower respiratory diseases, 1 from pneumonia, flu, etc., and 1 from pregnancy complications....and if, somehow, that 0.43% chance were realized...I guess 1 more from Covid.

Perhaps, instead of banning Football or banning Students, for that matter...they’d be better served, investing heavily in Safe Driving (accidents) Programs, Mental Health Outreach, and Violence avoidance Programs - focus on addressing the 114 “Expected” Deaths of students instead of going ApePoop over the 0.43% chance of 1.

[FU3]

“Causes of myocarditis
* Viral infection
* Cytomegalovirus, Hepatitis C, Herpes, HIV, and Parvovirus, among others
* Bacterial infection (e.g., Borrelia (Lyme disease), chlamydia, mycoplasma, streptococcal, staphylococcal)
* Certain medications (e.g., chemotherapy and radiation therapy)
* Toxins (e.g., metal poisons, snake bites, spider bites)
* Autoimmune disorders (e.g., lupus, rheumatoid arthritis) “

FuBEAR appears to be correct in some of the causes of myocarditis. It also appears to be very rare. It usually diagnosed only after serious cardiac events take place. It would be be hard to diagnose prior to an event because it would be very unusual to schedule an MRI because a kid has a viral Infection. With this particular virus there were a few high profile cases diagnosed. The Big 10 began an aggressive campaign of using MRIs to diagnose myocarditis. The results were surprising and concerning given that 15 other wise healthy athletes had myocarditis. The problem is of course that there are no studies for whether this is an abnormal result or kids get this condition regularly with other viruses and it clears up naturally. They are going to have to do some fairly detailed studies quickly to answer that and try and determine how this will effect these kids now and in the future. There are very few simple and easy answers to these problems.

[CharlieFU]

Why do you and UNC's Dean of public Health hate America?

Why do you say that? I don’t understand.