Wondering if this is the son of former baseball Paladin Rob Goecker?
2020 commitments
I know it was a position of need, but in the last month or so we've added Henderson, Hughes, Gunn, and Goecker at WR. Shiflett also appears to be moving out that way as well.
Let me get this straight: we signed a 4-star kicker? If true, that's huge . . . HUGE.
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I don't see Spencer Pankratz anywhere on 247 or Rivals. He is not a 4* per the recruiting services. Hopefully he plays like one.
I have no inside knowledge of this, but I think the kickers are often rated by their own services and kicking coaches. Their four star/five star ratings were not 247 or Rivals as best I can tell.Davemeister wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:02 amLet me get this straight: we signed a 4-star kicker? If true, that's huge . . . HUGE.
Kicker is also sort of a strange position to evaluate for recruiting. The size of the school, competition level, physical stature, etc. aren't particularly relevant questions. The question is whether the ball goes through the uprights, how consistently, and at what distance.
I'd expect a D1 kicker at just about any program to have a leg to hit beyond 50 and convert 70-80% of their kicks.
another PWO and another WR.
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Not a four star but a kicker in a very tough league. More info about him can be found at https://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/spence ... /stats.htm . Also a swimmer which means he is an real athlete.Davemeister wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:02 amLet me get this straight: we signed a 4-star kicker? If true, that's huge . . . HUGE.
Furman also is signing a softball player from Valor.
Certainly not referencing anyone in particular, but I think it would be VERY interesting for someone to do a statistical correlation analysis between K/P/LS Rankings & the total Lifetime $’s spent by the Player attending each of these gurus camps / lessons / competitions.The Jackal wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:20 amI have no inside knowledge of this, but I think the kickers are often rated by their own services and kicking coaches. Their four star/five star ratings were not 247 or Rivals as best I can tell.Davemeister wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:02 amLet me get this straight: we signed a 4-star kicker? If true, that's huge . . . HUGE.
Kicker is also sort of a strange position to evaluate for recruiting. The size of the school, competition level, physical stature, etc. aren't particularly relevant questions. The question is whether the ball goes through the uprights, how consistently, and at what distance.
I'd expect a D1 kicker at just about any program to have a leg to hit beyond 50 and convert 70-80% of their kicks.
I’ve been eyeing these entities with a (perhaps too) cynical eye for quite a few years now.
I’m sure aqualung, a renowned Kicking Coach, will have an informed opinion on this topic, most likely differing from FUBeAR’s suspicions.
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So, this interview confirms a few of my suspicions regarding our focus on recruiting several "bigger" slot receivers - https://gridironscouting.com/2020/02/02 ... es-furman/
“I am coming into Furman as a wide receiver but talking with the staff, they plan to give me the ball in several ways,” said Hughes.
“They want to use me in the slot, giving me the chance at 1 on 1 opportunities and using my athletic abilities to create mismatches. They also plan to hand the ball off to me too. Whether that be at running back, special teams or in other ways, they just want the ball in my hands as much as possible.”
Just looking back through some video - here's an example of what I think Furman is trying to do with some of these new recruits. An example from the Point game:
Furman is showing a 3WR look with Chase Abshier, a TB, lined up in the slot. Ben Page, a TE, is in the backfield along with Dominic Roberto, a RB. Abshier comes in motion to the backfield. Now Furman has moved into a two back set. You can see the pickle Point is in - Furman has 8 men to Point's 7 inside the box.
Furman does this sort of thing a lot. To this point, though, most of the slot guys have been WRs (Gordon and Armstrong) who are very unlikely to run the ball. They'll move the TB outside - like they did with Abshier - but outside of Wayne Anderson, they are not really guys that are running WR routes. While our offense throws a lot at a defense, it can be predictable at times because you know some guys aren't going to run the ball and some guys aren't going to beat you deep.
Players like Gunn and Hughes may give Furman more flexibility. They are big enough and physical enough to come into the backfield and run the ball. They are also fast enough to pressure a defense downfield.
Wofford actually got pretty good at this in 2019. Their second leading receiver was D'mauriae VanCleave, who is technically listed as a running back. His ability to come across the formation and pressure defenses both running and catching made Joe Newman that much more difficult to deal with. Example:
Furman is showing a 3WR look with Chase Abshier, a TB, lined up in the slot. Ben Page, a TE, is in the backfield along with Dominic Roberto, a RB. Abshier comes in motion to the backfield. Now Furman has moved into a two back set. You can see the pickle Point is in - Furman has 8 men to Point's 7 inside the box.
Furman does this sort of thing a lot. To this point, though, most of the slot guys have been WRs (Gordon and Armstrong) who are very unlikely to run the ball. They'll move the TB outside - like they did with Abshier - but outside of Wayne Anderson, they are not really guys that are running WR routes. While our offense throws a lot at a defense, it can be predictable at times because you know some guys aren't going to run the ball and some guys aren't going to beat you deep.
Players like Gunn and Hughes may give Furman more flexibility. They are big enough and physical enough to come into the backfield and run the ball. They are also fast enough to pressure a defense downfield.
Wofford actually got pretty good at this in 2019. Their second leading receiver was D'mauriae VanCleave, who is technically listed as a running back. His ability to come across the formation and pressure defenses both running and catching made Joe Newman that much more difficult to deal with. Example:
Jackal makes some great points - I'd add Kendall Thomas into the mix as a slotback too.
On film - I think it's obvious Thomas brings a lot at tailback.
On film - I think it's obvious Thomas brings a lot at tailback.
I would not get too excited about Pankratz at this point. I would assume that he's a PWO. There is no correlation between Chris Sailer star rankings for kickers and the other recruiting services that rate other positions. This kid is rated 4 stars by Sailer which is NOT good. He's ranked 285. That means 284 are above him. In Sailer world, all 5 stars are D-1 level kickers and a handful of 4.5 stars. After that, the rest of the 4.5's are D2 and lower with of course exceptions here and there. Also, there are 115 4 star rated kickers and Pankratz is 83rd... so he's at the bottom of the 4 star class, most all of which will never see a college field at any level. For perspective, Grayson Atkins was a late bloomer. He was rated 45th by Sailer and he was rated 4.5 stars. He obviously developed into a 5 star performer very quickly at FU.FUBeAR wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:10 pmCertainly not referencing anyone in particular, but I think it would be VERY interesting for someone to do a statistical correlation analysis between K/P/LS Rankings & the total Lifetime $’s spent by the Player attending each of these gurus camps / lessons / competitions.The Jackal wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:20 amI have no inside knowledge of this, but I think the kickers are often rated by their own services and kicking coaches. Their four star/five star ratings were not 247 or Rivals as best I can tell.Davemeister wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:02 amLet me get this straight: we signed a 4-star kicker? If true, that's huge . . . HUGE.
Kicker is also sort of a strange position to evaluate for recruiting. The size of the school, competition level, physical stature, etc. aren't particularly relevant questions. The question is whether the ball goes through the uprights, how consistently, and at what distance.
I'd expect a D1 kicker at just about any program to have a leg to hit beyond 50 and convert 70-80% of their kicks.
I’ve been eyeing these entities with a (perhaps too) cynical eye for quite a few years now.
I’m sure aqualung, a renowned Kicking Coach, will have an informed opinion on this topic, most likely differing from FUBeAR’s suspicions.
Remove your greasy fingers from your shabby clothes, place them upon your keyboard & let us know how you see it from your angle on the park bench, sir.
I'm not impressed with his video either. Very slim stats. Highlight reel shows weak KO's with ~3.5ish hang. Also did not kick off of the ground in HS. So not impressed if these are his highlights. Now for the upside, he looks like a big athletic kid who could be another late bloomer. He certainly could develop into a fine kicker for FU at some point in the future. I just do not think he's ready for prime time yet and I would not expect anything from him in 2020. Hopefully I'm wrong... It's happened many times before...
