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Can Furman create a WCC here on the East coast (ECC)
PostPosted:Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:38 pm
by FU Hoopla
WCC is doing big time things out west as a non-power 6 league, St. Mary's ranked #15 and Gonzaga #16
Maybe the answer is not joining a better Basketball league, but creating a better Basketball league here on the East Coast that can become a multi-bid league just as the WCC has out west.
Must include schools that can commit to 'big time' basketball and must be good academic schools.
Programs to consider for the ECC (East Coast Conference)(around 12 teams)
Furman
Davidson
Belmont
College Of Charleston
VCU
Richmond
George Mason
UNC Wilmington
St. Bonaventure?
Saint Joseph's?
Fordham?
George Washington?
Wofford?
Colgate?
Mercer?
Liberty?
William & Mary?
Lipscomb?
Bucknell?
Winthrop?
Re: Can Furman create a WCC here on the East coast (ECC)
PostPosted:Mon Feb 06, 2023 1:24 pm
by FU Hoopla
Just as an example, not a ton of travel and great rivalries:
Furman
Wofford
College Of Charleston
UNC Wilmington
Davidson
Winthrop
Belmont
Lipscomb
Richmond
William & Mary
VCU
George Mason
Re: Can Furman create a WCC here on the East coast (ECC)
PostPosted:Mon Feb 06, 2023 1:56 pm
by FU Hoopla
FU Hoopla wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 1:24 pm
Just as an example, not a ton of travel and great rivalries:
Furman
Wofford
College Of Charleston
UNC Wilmington
Davidson
Winthrop
Belmont
Lipscomb
Richmond
William & Mary
VCU
George Mason
Or could be just 10 teams, so take out Wofford and Winthrop and make Furman and Davison rivals
WCC is only 10 teams as well.
Furman
Davidson
College Of Charleston
UNC Wilmington
Belmont
Lipscomb
Richmond
William & Mary
VCU
George Mason
Re: Can Furman create a WCC here on the East coast (ECC)
PostPosted:Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:06 pm
by FUBeAR
Nah - you only got 7 FCS Scholarship Football Schools - not interested - add, say, Samford and get Davidson to give 63 Football Scholarships and FUBeAR will consider your proposal as long as you’re personally upping the 2 million ducats to bolt the SoCon…
….and, again, Furman and Wofford are NOT rivals.
Re: Can Furman create a WCC here on the East coast (ECC)
PostPosted:Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:15 pm
by FUBF24
FU Hoopla wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:38 pm
WCC is doing big time things out west as a non-power 6 league, St. Mary's ranked #15 and Gonzaga #16
Maybe the answer is not joining a better Basketball league, but creating a better Basketball league here on the East Coast that can become a multi-bid league just as the WCC has out west.
Must include schools that can commit to 'big time' basketball and must be good academic schools.
Programs to consider for the ECC (East Coast Conference)(around 12 teams)
Furman
Davidson
Belmont
College Of Charleston
VCU
Richmond
George Mason
UNC Wilmington
St. Bonaventure?
Saint Joseph's?
Fordham?
George Washington?
Wofford?
Colgate?
Mercer?
Liberty?
William & Mary?
Lipscomb?
Bucknell?
Winthrop?
Using this logic in comparison to other teams, I'd have to place Furman in the "?" category sadly. We're not at the same level as VCU, for example.
Re: Can Furman create a WCC here on the East coast (ECC)
PostPosted:Mon Feb 06, 2023 3:11 pm
by Furmanoid
Why leave a conference we should win? If we can’t win the SoCon we shouldn’t be in the tournament. The WCC generally has two good teams. If the SoCon can get to that level, two good teams, that’s good enough. We just need to start winning the SoCon. We already get crazy overrated without even winning it. If we do start winning it we’ll live in the top 60 or 70.
Re: Can Furman create a WCC here on the East coast (ECC)
PostPosted:Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:42 pm
by FU Hoopla
FUBeAR wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:06 pm
Nah - you only got 7 FCS Scholarship Football Schools - not interested - add, say, Samford and get Davidson to give 63 Football Scholarships and FUBeAR will consider your proposal as long as you’re personally upping the 2 million ducats to bolt the SoCon…
….and, again, Furman and Wofford are NOT rivals.
This is not a football conference, football is not apart of this discussion
Villanova play Big East basketball and CAA football
Richmond plays A10 basketball and CAA football
FU football can go do whatever is best for them
Re: Can Furman create a WCC here on the East coast (ECC)
PostPosted:Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:44 pm
by FU Hoopla
FUBF24 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:15 pm
FU Hoopla wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:38 pm
WCC is doing big time things out west as a non-power 6 league, St. Mary's ranked #15 and Gonzaga #16
Maybe the answer is not joining a better Basketball league, but creating a better Basketball league here on the East Coast that can become a multi-bid league just as the WCC has out west.
Must include schools that can commit to 'big time' basketball and must be good academic schools.
Programs to consider for the ECC (East Coast Conference)(around 12 teams)
Furman
Davidson
Belmont
College Of Charleston
VCU
Richmond
George Mason
UNC Wilmington
St. Bonaventure?
Saint Joseph's?
Fordham?
George Washington?
Wofford?
Colgate?
Mercer?
Liberty?
William & Mary?
Lipscomb?
Bucknell?
Winthrop?
Using this logic in comparison to other teams, I'd have to place Furman in the "?" category sadly. We're not at the same level as VCU, for example.
We're well on our way
Re: Can Furman create a WCC here on the East coast (ECC)
PostPosted:Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:45 pm
by FU Hoopla
Furmanoid wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 3:11 pm
Why leave a conference we should win? If we can’t win the SoCon we shouldn’t be in the tournament. The WCC generally has two good teams. If the SoCon can get to that level, two good teams, that’s good enough. We just need to start winning the SoCon. We already get crazy overrated without even winning it. If we do start winning it we’ll live in the top 60 or 70.
Because the SoCon is awful, and playing low academic larger state schools like ETSU, WCU, UTC and UNCG does nothing to advance Furman University and Furman Basketball in the long run, gotta think bigger than that
WCC has BYU as well to go along with St. Mary's and Gonzaga, compared to the SoCon that usually only has 1 really good team per year. Gotta create a league that is going to garner some national respect, SoCon does not.
Re: Can Furman create a WCC here on the East coast (ECC)
PostPosted:Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:57 pm
by FU Hoopla
Let's address the Basketball vs. Football situation just a little further, Football has already made it clear it is fine on the level it is right now, had no desire to follow App. St., Georgia Southern ect. to higher levels.
That is not true for Basketball, the vast majority of FU Basketball fans desire to raise the program up to greater levels. With that in mind Football can't be allowed to dictate the aspirations of the Basketball program when they are not chasing the same things.
Villanova is a great example of a program that has achieved much in Basketball while still holding down a very good FCS football program, with both sports playing in separate conferences, no reason FU can't do the same.
Re: Can Furman create a WCC here on the East coast (ECC)
PostPosted:Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:17 pm
by FUBeAR
FU Hoopla wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:42 pm
FUBeAR wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:06 pm
Nah - you only got 7 FCS Scholarship Football Schools - not interested - add, say, Samford and get Davidson to give 63 Football Scholarships and FUBeAR will consider your proposal as long as you’re personally upping the 2 million ducats to bolt the SoCon…
….and, again, Furman and Wofford are NOT rivals.
This is not a football conference, football is not apart of this discussion
Villanova play Big East basketball and CAA football
Richmond plays A10 basketball and CAA football
FU football can go do whatever is best for them
That’s your definition of what this is about. FUBeAR doesn’t agree that Football is not “apart” (sic) of this discussion, so he will not define it that way.
Was going with you on the Teams you are gonna rope in to create your conference and just saying you need to make it make more sense by getting it to 9 FCS Full scholarship Football Teams. Dang - your’re close, just get Samford on board. They should meet your criteria and convince Davidson to return to schollie Football….and write FU’s SoCon seeya check…well, you may have to write Samford’s too and endow 63 Schollies @ Davidson. That last one is gonna cost you about $101 million (one-time) or about $13 million annually (if FUBeAR is reading Davidson’s donor materials correctly).
So…just call it a somewhere between $20 million and $105 million out of FU Hoopla’s pocket and you can get exactly what you want and probably get the Football peeps to be willing to think about it…once you’ve written those checks.
Let us know.
Re: Can Furman create a WCC here on the East coast (ECC)
PostPosted:Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:24 pm
by FU Hoopla
FUBeAR wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:17 pm
FU Hoopla wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:42 pm
FUBeAR wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:06 pm
Nah - you only got 7 FCS Scholarship Football Schools - not interested - add, say, Samford and get Davidson to give 63 Football Scholarships and FUBeAR will consider your proposal as long as you’re personally upping the 2 million ducats to bolt the SoCon…
….and, again, Furman and Wofford are NOT rivals.
This is not a football conference, football is not apart of this discussion
Villanova play Big East basketball and CAA football
Richmond plays A10 basketball and CAA football
FU football can go do whatever is best for them
That’s your definition of what this is about. FUBeAR doesn’t agree that Football is not “apart” (sic) of this discussion, so he will not define it that way.
Was going with you on the Teams you are gonna rope in to create your conference and just saying you need to make it make more sense by getting it to 9 FCS Full scholarship Football Teams. Dang - your’re close, just get Samford on board. They should meet your criteria and convince Davidson to return to schollie Football….and write FU’s SoCon seeya check…well, you may have to write Samford’s too and endow 63 Schollies @ Davidson. That last one is gonna cost you about $101 million (one-time) or about $13 million annually (if FUBeAR is reading Davidson’s donor materials correctly).
So…just call it a somewhere between $20 million and $105 million out of FU Hoopla’s pocket and you can get exactly what you want and probably get the Football peeps to be willing to think about it…once you’ve written those checks.
Let us know.
Let's just be smart and do what's best for both programs and save all that money
FU Basketball levels up to a much better conference and FU Football stays the same in SoCon/CAA/or wherever the heck you please
Re: Can Furman create a WCC here on the East coast (ECC)
PostPosted:Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:35 pm
by FUBeAR
FU Hoopla wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:24 pm
FUBeAR wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:17 pm
FU Hoopla wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:42 pm
FUBeAR wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:06 pm
Nah - you only got 7 FCS Scholarship Football Schools - not interested - add, say, Samford and get Davidson to give 63 Football Scholarships and FUBeAR will consider your proposal as long as you’re personally upping the 2 million ducats to bolt the SoCon…
….and, again, Furman and Wofford are NOT rivals.
This is not a football conference, football is not apart of this discussion
Villanova play Big East basketball and CAA football
Richmond plays A10 basketball and CAA football
FU football can go do whatever is best for them
That’s your definition of what this is about. FUBeAR doesn’t agree that Football is not “apart” (sic) of this discussion, so he will not define it that way.
Was going with you on the Teams you are gonna rope in to create your conference and just saying you need to make it make more sense by getting it to 9 FCS Full scholarship Football Teams. Dang - your’re close, just get Samford on board. They should meet your criteria and convince Davidson to return to schollie Football….and write FU’s SoCon seeya check…well, you may have to write Samford’s too and endow 63 Schollies @ Davidson. That last one is gonna cost you about $101 million (one-time) or about $13 million annually (if FUBeAR is reading Davidson’s donor materials correctly).
So…just call it a somewhere between $20 million and $105 million out of FU Hoopla’s pocket and you can get exactly what you want and probably get the Football peeps to be willing to think about it…once you’ve written those checks.
Let us know.
Let's just be smart and do what's best for both programs and save all that money
FU Basketball levels up to a much better conference and FU Football stays the same in SoCon/CAA/or wherever the heck you please
Nah - Furman Football is at least interested in considering if you’re gonna pull together these schools in a conference…
1) Furman
2) Davidson
3) Richmond
4) Fordham
5) Wofford
6) Colgate
7) Mercer
8) William & Mary
9) Bucknell
Hold on…FUBeAR counted wrong. We don’t even need Samford. Just saved FU Hoopla $2 million! He’s definitely buying the next 10-12 Wicked Weeds for saving him that kinda money!
Re: Can Furman create a WCC here on the East coast (ECC)
PostPosted:Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:41 pm
by FU Hoopla
FUBeAR wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:35 pm
FU Hoopla wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:24 pm
FUBeAR wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:17 pm
FU Hoopla wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:42 pm
FUBeAR wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:06 pm
Nah - you only got 7 FCS Scholarship Football Schools - not interested - add, say, Samford and get Davidson to give 63 Football Scholarships and FUBeAR will consider your proposal as long as you’re personally upping the 2 million ducats to bolt the SoCon…
….and, again, Furman and Wofford are NOT rivals.
This is not a football conference, football is not apart of this discussion
Villanova play Big East basketball and CAA football
Richmond plays A10 basketball and CAA football
FU football can go do whatever is best for them
That’s your definition of what this is about. FUBeAR doesn’t agree that Football is not “apart” (sic) of this discussion, so he will not define it that way.
Was going with you on the Teams you are gonna rope in to create your conference and just saying you need to make it make more sense by getting it to 9 FCS Full scholarship Football Teams. Dang - your’re close, just get Samford on board. They should meet your criteria and convince Davidson to return to schollie Football….and write FU’s SoCon seeya check…well, you may have to write Samford’s too and endow 63 Schollies @ Davidson. That last one is gonna cost you about $101 million (one-time) or about $13 million annually (if FUBeAR is reading Davidson’s donor materials correctly).
So…just call it a somewhere between $20 million and $105 million out of FU Hoopla’s pocket and you can get exactly what you want and probably get the Football peeps to be willing to think about it…once you’ve written those checks.
Let us know.
Let's just be smart and do what's best for both programs and save all that money
FU Basketball levels up to a much better conference and FU Football stays the same in SoCon/CAA/or wherever the heck you please
Nah - Furman Football is at least interested in considering if you’re gonna pull together these schools in a conference…
1) Furman
2) Davidson
3) Richmond
4) Fordham
5) Wofford
6) Colgate
7) Mercer
8) William & Mary
9) Bucknell
Hold on…FUBeAR counted wrong. We don’t even need Samford. Just saved FU Hoopla $2 million! He’s definitely buying the next 10-12 Wicked Weeds for saving him that kinda money!
Nah that league is not good enough for FU Basketball to consider, better to split, FU Basketball aiming higher with other schools I've listed
Re: Can Furman create a WCC here on the East coast (ECC)
PostPosted:Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:42 pm
by FU Hoopla
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