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 #12109  by ksummerlin
 Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:15 pm
I hate to say it but the only two mid-major conferences where "playing" a tough OOC schedule can help you is the AAC and the A10. "Winning" a tough OOC game is a completely different matter than scheduling them. A "low" mid-major like Furman needs to win half of those tougher OOC games OR have two or fewer losses in an unexpectedly tough conference (i.e. Woffy this year) OR get the auto-bid by winning the tournament. As a "low" mid-major you have to assume those are going to be losses. True mid-majors like the top of the AAC and A10 can afford to gamble a bit by factoring in some wins from those games in case they don't win their tourney.

The rest of the conferences are consistently playing for conference winners -- although there are exceptions every year. The only reason that Woffy was a possibility for an at large before the tournament is because Furman, UNCG, and ETSU were so good this year. If Woffy finishes 28-5 (losing the tournament final) in a much weaker SoCon, then they are a bubble team hoping for no upsets in other tournaments. Their OOC losses mean nothing unless the rest of the conference becomes unexpectedly good.

Look at New Mexico State -- 28-5 -- they need to win their tournament to get in because the rest of the conference is so weak. They could still get in, but they would need help. No amount of OOC scheduling would have helped them. Beating a tough OOC opponent, like we did, helps you immensely but scheduling them and losing does nothing to help you. So either way you are back to "gotta win my tournament". So as a lower mid-major you have to focus your efforts on winning your tournament. In some years your conference may be unexpectedly good and you squeak in with an at-large; but nobody is betting that the rest of the SoCon will be unexpectedly good.

I think the SoCon can become one of those true mid-major basketball conferences with Woffy, ETSU, UNCG, and (possibly) Furman leading the way. It just takes time and consistency to get there.
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 #12146  by Flagman
 Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:12 pm
Deep down, we all know none of this matters. Furman won't get in before a 13 or 14 loss team from a power conference. I'm preparing for a home game in the NIT.
 #12151  by FUBeAR
 Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:36 pm
soconjohn wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:04 pm
I don’t know what the answer is, but the NCAA must be taken to task...No conference ranking in the Top 12 nationally has gotten less than 2 teams in the Dance, and average 3...Last year, the A10 ranked 11th and got three!
SoCon is ranked 11th now, right?

Well, that stat you cited (I’m assuming it’s correct) should be, IMO, THE primary message of any (social media) campaigning that is being done by the SoCon / UNCG / FU.

It’s real easy to say, “Well, the SoCon has never had an at-large Team invited, so no reason to start giving them one now.”

Saying, “No conference ranked as high as the SoCon is now has EVER had less than 2 Teams invited and last year there were 3. No good reason for the SoCon NOT to have 3 Teams invited this year!” ...is a little harder, but needs to be said...loudly & often.
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 #12152  by Flagman
 Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:42 pm
Mike Buddie, who serves on the selection committee for the College Baseball World Series, stated in a recent article that as a committee member he gets numerous (I interpret that to mean quite a bit) emails, tweets, etc., promoting a particular team's resume for consideration for the baseball tournament. They aren't given a grain of salt's worth of consideration (my words). I'm pretty sure that's how the basketball committee will look at things in social media, as well. They are going to look at how much money a school can bring to the table.
 #12154  by apaladin
 Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:12 pm
I really like what Jay Bilas said. He said the conference tournaments are bad for the little guide. All it does is give the big boys another chance for a good win. He said the bracket should be based on the regular season and the bracket filled out before the tournaments and changes only when a team not in the tournament wins said tournament. Florida is a perfect example of this Without the SEC tournament they wouldn't be in. Still think they should have a maximum number of losses.
 #12155  by soconjohn
 Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:39 pm
It sounds like for a mid-major conference like the SoCon, there is no way for a team a conference or team can promote itself that the committee will listen to...Those same factors that we can't use get a Texas or Florida in the field...If I am the SoCon, I would just cancel conference play all together and play a tournament.
 #12156  by FUBeAR
 Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:45 pm
Flagman wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:42 pm
Mike Buddie, who serves on the selection committee for the College Baseball World Series, stated in a recent article that as a committee member he gets numerous (I interpret that to mean quite a bit) emails, tweets, etc., promoting a particular team's resume for consideration for the baseball tournament. They aren't given a grain of salt's worth of consideration (my words). I'm pretty sure that's how the basketball committee will look at things in social media, as well. They are going to look at how much money a school can bring to the table.
I think this claim is akin to the claim by Coaches that they NEVER read Fan Message Boards, but I have had more than a few Coaches ‘engage’ me over the years about things they saw that I (or others) have posted on these boards or other social media. While it may not be the best thing for our society as a whole, there is just no denying that popular opinion, communicated via social media / message boards, does affect decision-making in our world today.

Don’t believe that? Read this: https://www.businessinsider.com/ryan-to ... be-2018-12

On your final sentence, in a macro (long-game) sense, I think that’s accurate, i.e., Florida is ‘worth more,’ overall, to the NCAA than Furman is, but in each unique individual NCAA Tourney, the Schools are on the receiving side of the equation. In other words, the NCAA won’t get any poorer if they put Furman in this year’s Tourney & leave Florida to the NIT, right? So, yeah, they’re going to ‘take care’ of their “Fat Cats” for the most part, but if they had 3 Teams from the 11th-ranked A-10 (not exactly a list of NCAA “Fat Cats”) last year when they were ranked 11th, there’s presumably ‘room’ for 3 from the 11th-ranked SoCon this year without upsetting the existing power structure or costing the ‘benevolent’ NCAA any of their sheckels. Yes?
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 #12157  by soconjohn
 Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:07 pm
I am not really into the idea that someone important somewhere doesn't look at social media...I know that I am as credible source as any person picking this field, especially when it comes weighting the SoCon vs other leagues. ..I can understand why coaches are this way...None of us are coaches or know X's and O's that well...But what distinguished trait does it take to watch and weigh one resume' against another...It's not rocket science!
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