affirm wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 6:47 amSure. But when CBR takes him to UofSC or to “fill in the blank whatever else univer$ity” that CBR goes to from Furman, Growe will no longer be available to us.DungeonRealm wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:44 pmAfter Bob Richey, Mike Bothwell and Jalen Slawson take us to the Big Dance next year, yes Jeremy Growe will be ready
2020 https://projects.propublica.org/nonpro ... 10101/fullDungeonRealm wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:35 amRight now I believe CBR is making in the 400-450k range
FUBeAR wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:56 am2020 https://projects.propublica.org/nonpro ... 10101/fullDungeonRealm wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:35 amRight now I believe CBR is making in the 400-450k range
Officers, Directors, Trustees, Key Employees, and Highest Compensated Employees.
(A) Name and Title (B) Breakdown of W-2 and/or 1099-MISC compensation (C) Retirement and other deferred compensation (D) Nontaxable benefits (E) Total of columns (B)(i)-(D)
13ROBERT RICHEY
MEN'S BASKETBALL COACH (i)
(ii) 241,926
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3,000
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35,280
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33,288
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18,102
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331,596
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Thanks. I would shocked if the info in that FUBeAR post is current, even FUBeAR’s info is usually dependable. On the other hand, IF 400-450 is total compensation right now (total personnel costs), then that is only 68-118 more than the info provided by FUBeAR dated 2020; and yes, Furman should find another at least $150,000 immediately.DungeonRealm wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:18 pmFUBeAR wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:56 am2020 https://projects.propublica.org/nonpro ... 10101/fullDungeonRealm wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 11:35 amRight now I believe CBR is making in the 400-450k range
Officers, Directors, Trustees, Key Employees, and Highest Compensated Employees.
(A) Name and Title (B) Breakdown of W-2 and/or 1099-MISC compensation (C) Retirement and other deferred compensation (D) Nontaxable benefits (E) Total of columns (B)(i)-(D)
13ROBERT RICHEY
MEN'S BASKETBALL COACH (i)
(ii) 241,926
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3,000
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35,280
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33,288
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18,102
-------------
331,596
-------------
Old info, he has since gotten raises to put him in 400-450k range
The odds are that a USC stint will be pretty disastrous. But it sure pays good. And if you are a guy like CBR you probably think that you are the guy who can beat the odds and make USC a powerhouse. Also, if Bothwell and Slawson don’t return or even if they do but get hurt, we probably won’t be very good next year. This may be his only chance to move up for awhile. Then you aren’t the young, fresh exciting guy anymore. Lots of stuff to consider. If I got the offer, I’d go in a heartbeat.The Jackal wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:58 amI've said this before, but you can do a lot worse that a pretty decent salary, fan and alumni support, good quality of life, and a relatively low pressure environment at Furman.RaleighDin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:34 amMy point is that it's not all about the money. AstroDin alluded to this in his post as well. He very well may want the job, and take the probably 300-500% raise that comes with it. More power to him!Furmanoid wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 8:14 amHow many times have you turned down 2-300% raises? I hardly ever do that. The main reason to turn it down is because you’d be working for delusional idiots. But the act of offering CBR would be an indication that they are getting less delusional and less idiotic.RaleighDin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 7:38 amMB said in his Marc Ryan interview that the choice for him and Slawson was whether to go pro, or come back to Furman. Said there was no interest in going anywhere else.
One thought I've had is this could be a ploy by CBR to move along the Timmons renovations. JD indicated we're still $10m short of starting, but maybe the university steps up and moves faster if they know CBR would stay?
Lastly, we've all interviewed for jobs we didn't intend to take. The experience is always helpful - don't want to rule out that possibility. I have no doubt there are big jobs he would want, just would be surprised if this is one. But the chance to leverage FU and get experience under his belt interviewing for a job at the level he one day might go to? Seems like a smart move to me.
However, at FU he rules the roost. He's the face of a rising program, and has the attention of the board of trustees such that we're seeing long overdue investment in the program on the part of the university. At USC - they'll own him. The demand from boosters and the university will increase exponentially, and that's not even including expectations for on court results. The man just had his 3rd child and they moved to downtown Greenville. There are a lot of factors that go into a decision like this other than $$$. If you take the job for money, aren't happy, and unemployed in a year or two, now you're moving your family again to wherever the next opportunity is.
Many of us could take more money to work somewhere with a lower quality of life. I chose not to. I'm sure some of you chose the same.
If you want to climb the coaching ranks, cool. Furman is what it is.
At the same time, a mens basketball coach can build a pretty sizable brand at a smaller school. There are mid-major coaches that are just as much of a brand name as just about anyone coaching at the upper ranks.
Furmanoid wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:47 pmThe odds are that a USC stint will be pretty disastrous. But it sure pays good. And if you are a guy like CBR you probably think that you are the guy who can beat the odds and make USC a powerhouse. Also, if Bothwell and Slawson don’t return or even if they do but get hurt, we probably won’t be very good next year. This may be his only chance to move up for awhile. Then you aren’t the young, fresh exciting guy anymore. Lots of stuff to consider. If I got the offer, I’d go in a heartbeat.The Jackal wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:58 amI've said this before, but you can do a lot worse that a pretty decent salary, fan and alumni support, good quality of life, and a relatively low pressure environment at Furman.RaleighDin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:34 amMy point is that it's not all about the money. AstroDin alluded to this in his post as well. He very well may want the job, and take the probably 300-500% raise that comes with it. More power to him!Furmanoid wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 8:14 amHow many times have you turned down 2-300% raises? I hardly ever do that. The main reason to turn it down is because you’d be working for delusional idiots. But the act of offering CBR would be an indication that they are getting less delusional and less idiotic.RaleighDin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 7:38 amMB said in his Marc Ryan interview that the choice for him and Slawson was whether to go pro, or come back to Furman. Said there was no interest in going anywhere else.
One thought I've had is this could be a ploy by CBR to move along the Timmons renovations. JD indicated we're still $10m short of starting, but maybe the university steps up and moves faster if they know CBR would stay?
Lastly, we've all interviewed for jobs we didn't intend to take. The experience is always helpful - don't want to rule out that possibility. I have no doubt there are big jobs he would want, just would be surprised if this is one. But the chance to leverage FU and get experience under his belt interviewing for a job at the level he one day might go to? Seems like a smart move to me.
However, at FU he rules the roost. He's the face of a rising program, and has the attention of the board of trustees such that we're seeing long overdue investment in the program on the part of the university. At USC - they'll own him. The demand from boosters and the university will increase exponentially, and that's not even including expectations for on court results. The man just had his 3rd child and they moved to downtown Greenville. There are a lot of factors that go into a decision like this other than $$$. If you take the job for money, aren't happy, and unemployed in a year or two, now you're moving your family again to wherever the next opportunity is.
Many of us could take more money to work somewhere with a lower quality of life. I chose not to. I'm sure some of you chose the same.
If you want to climb the coaching ranks, cool. Furman is what it is.
At the same time, a mens basketball coach can build a pretty sizable brand at a smaller school. There are mid-major coaches that are just as much of a brand name as just about anyone coaching at the upper ranks.
From years of experience, I can officially say, money is NOT everything. Bob will spend time with his family, pray about where God wants him to be, and then stay at Furman or go somewhere else. God will choose Bob's path. It's that simple. I am grateful that God chose to plant him at Furman.
That literally happens all the time.
Smart man.Davemeister wrote: ↑Wed Mar 16, 2022 5:24 pmI think that's pretty much what another Furman Head Coach - Dick Sheridan - said to USC.
