What is it with the Atlantic 10? Richmond and Davidson are going to the NCAA.
The 4th and 5th place teams, St. Bonny and St. Louis, are going to the NIT. I looked at both team's schedule's. St. Bonny beat Marquette and NC State, the worst team in the ACC. St. Louis beat Boston College. Other than that, nothing to suggest these teams are better than Furman or Samford. St. Louis lost to Va. Tech by 35 points.
A-10 gets 4 teams in Tourney's and SoCon 1. Something does not add up.
Our commissioner is not up to the job.
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IHMO its a beauty contest. There are so many metrics, RPI, NET, SOS and the all scientific "eye test" that at the end of the day they dont mean anything. The nice Judy Rose, who is the Cmt chair, said "Yes we think we got it right"FurmAlum wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:55 pmWhat is it with the Atlantic 10? Richmond and Davidson are going to the NCAA.
The 4th and 5th place teams, St. Bonny and St. Louis, are going to the NIT. I looked at both team's schedule's. St. Bonny beat Marquette and NC State, the worst team in the ACC. St. Louis beat Boston College. Other than that, nothing to suggest these teams are better than Furman or Samford. St. Louis lost to Va. Tech by 35 points.
A-10 gets 4 teams in Tourney's and SoCon 1. Something does not add up.
Our commissioner is not up to the job.
I've been told by most people on UFFP who address the thought that we do not want to move up to a quality conference like the A-10. So quit griping.FurmAlum wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:55 pmWhat is it with the Atlantic 10? Richmond and Davidson are going to the NCAA.
The 4th and 5th place teams, St. Bonny and St. Louis, are going to the NIT. I looked at both team's schedule's. St. Bonny beat Marquette and NC State, the worst team in the ACC. St. Louis beat Boston College. Other than that, nothing to suggest these teams are better than Furman or Samford. St. Louis lost to Va. Tech by 35 points.
A-10 gets 4 teams in Tourney's and SoCon 1. Something does not add up.
Our commissioner is not up to the job.
Nothing new there.FurmAlum wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:55 pmWhat is it with the Atlantic 10? Richmond and Davidson are going to the NCAA.
The 4th and 5th place teams, St. Bonny and St. Louis, are going to the NIT. I looked at both team's schedule's. St. Bonny beat Marquette and NC State, the worst team in the ACC. St. Louis beat Boston College. Other than that, nothing to suggest these teams are better than Furman or Samford. St. Louis lost to Va. Tech by 35 points.
A-10 gets 4 teams in Tourney's and SoCon 1. Something does not add up.
Our commissioner is not up to the job.
Commish sucks!! He does as littke as poseible and gets away with it.affirm wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:02 pmNothing new there.FurmAlum wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:55 pmWhat is it with the Atlantic 10? Richmond and Davidson are going to the NCAA.
The 4th and 5th place teams, St. Bonny and St. Louis, are going to the NIT. I looked at both team's schedule's. St. Bonny beat Marquette and NC State, the worst team in the ACC. St. Louis beat Boston College. Other than that, nothing to suggest these teams are better than Furman or Samford. St. Louis lost to Va. Tech by 35 points.
A-10 gets 4 teams in Tourney's and SoCon 1. Something does not add up.
Our commissioner is not up to the job.
I disagree. I think exposure in either of the lower two tournaments would be a good experience and good exposure. A missed opportunity IMHO. I am a whole lot more upset about not continuing our season than I am about missing the NCAA or NIT. We could not control those. We can control this.
We do control our fate. Another couple of wins puts us in the NIT.purplehorse wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 2:45 amI disagree. I think exposure in either of the lower two tournaments would be a good experience and good exposure. A missed opportunity IMHO. I am a whole lot more upset about not continuing our season than I am about missing the NCAA or NIT. We could not control those. We can control this.
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The other tournaments are about 10x more meaningless than the most meaningless of meaningless bowl games. Makes more sense to start moving on and figuring out next year’s team than to spend more time on a lame duck.
As far as NCAA and NIT go, looks like regardless of what some conference rankings may say, among the people who matter, the SoCon isn’t really very highly regarded. We need to get way better. We need to dominate this conference.
As far as NCAA and NIT go, looks like regardless of what some conference rankings may say, among the people who matter, the SoCon isn’t really very highly regarded. We need to get way better. We need to dominate this conference.
A10 11th best conference (kenpom) - 2 teams in NCAA , 4 teams in NIT
SOCON 12 th best conference - 1 team in NCAA
Multiple teams in NIT w lower rankings than Furman
I’d like to see a response from the commissioner on how he will fix this.
SOCON 12 th best conference - 1 team in NCAA
Multiple teams in NIT w lower rankings than Furman
I’d like to see a response from the commissioner on how he will fix this.
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Did some more analysis of teams in NCAA/NIT
Note - I don't really understand how the computer rankings of teams works as it always seems to be based on performance and strength of schedule (rank of opponents) which becomes a circular argument. Never the less:
the top 11 KenPom conferences got all the autobids in the NCAA/NIT save 1 - Belmont (NIT).
Kinda obvious but for 2 bid (or more) SOCON need to see more teams win games against higher ranked teams and avoid losses to the bottom of our own conference. Losing even in OT doesn't seem to help. Wouldn't hurt to have a highly ranked regular season champ lose in SOCON tourney and get a NCAA/NIT bid (as long as it is not Furman). How to further develop the ability to close out the close games in adverse away arenas is beyond me.
Rank Conference - total at large bids NCAA/NIT
1 Big12 -6
2 SEC -9
3Big10 -8
4BigEast -6
5 PAC12 -5
6ACC -6
7 MountainWest -4
8 AAC - 2
9 WestCoast -4
10 MissouriValley -1
11 A10 -5
...
24 OVC -1
Note - I don't really understand how the computer rankings of teams works as it always seems to be based on performance and strength of schedule (rank of opponents) which becomes a circular argument. Never the less:
the top 11 KenPom conferences got all the autobids in the NCAA/NIT save 1 - Belmont (NIT).
Kinda obvious but for 2 bid (or more) SOCON need to see more teams win games against higher ranked teams and avoid losses to the bottom of our own conference. Losing even in OT doesn't seem to help. Wouldn't hurt to have a highly ranked regular season champ lose in SOCON tourney and get a NCAA/NIT bid (as long as it is not Furman). How to further develop the ability to close out the close games in adverse away arenas is beyond me.
Rank Conference - total at large bids NCAA/NIT
1 Big12 -6
2 SEC -9
3Big10 -8
4BigEast -6
5 PAC12 -5
6ACC -6
7 MountainWest -4
8 AAC - 2
9 WestCoast -4
10 MissouriValley -1
11 A10 -5
...
24 OVC -1
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The problem is that those opportunities are less...When Chattanooga added De Sousa, Arkansas got out of their contract to play UTC for fear of losing,..True story...So it's a catch 22
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There's no question that the Paladins should have made the NIT over a couple of the teams that did. But also, it's the NIT. It only became a thing back in the day because the NCAA tournament was limited to one team per conference. In the current scheme of things the NIT isn't important.
And while obviously the SoCon should do everything it can to build it's reputation, there's also some unrealistic expectations going on here.
Take Belmont for instance. They've been good every year since 2005 and have made the NCAA tournament eight times during that span. The Paladins have been good since 2016 and of course have zero NCAA appearances going back decades. Does it really make sense that Furman would finish slightly above Belmont in Pomeroy once or twice and suddenly Furman has a stronger basketball reputation? Obviously not.
And so far as the A-10, while that conference finished only one spot ahead of the SoCon, the 2022 difference in Pomeroy rating between #11 and #12 is more than the difference between #12 and #19. The SoCon has improved dramatically in the past several years, by far the most of any conference, despite numerous limitations. But again, how reasonable is it to expect that the SoCon looks good in Pomeroy for a few years and suddenly the entire nation is full of respect for what was recently a low-major conference?
Factoring in the number of NCAA conferences over time, the #12 conference finish this year is probably the SoCon's highest since WWII at least. SoCon programs will have to invest more just to maintain that level, let alone trying to match the A-10 or MVC.
The Paladins just have to keep competing at the top of the SoCon, wherever its ranked, and sooner or later a meaningful post-season will happen.
And while obviously the SoCon should do everything it can to build it's reputation, there's also some unrealistic expectations going on here.
Take Belmont for instance. They've been good every year since 2005 and have made the NCAA tournament eight times during that span. The Paladins have been good since 2016 and of course have zero NCAA appearances going back decades. Does it really make sense that Furman would finish slightly above Belmont in Pomeroy once or twice and suddenly Furman has a stronger basketball reputation? Obviously not.
And so far as the A-10, while that conference finished only one spot ahead of the SoCon, the 2022 difference in Pomeroy rating between #11 and #12 is more than the difference between #12 and #19. The SoCon has improved dramatically in the past several years, by far the most of any conference, despite numerous limitations. But again, how reasonable is it to expect that the SoCon looks good in Pomeroy for a few years and suddenly the entire nation is full of respect for what was recently a low-major conference?
Factoring in the number of NCAA conferences over time, the #12 conference finish this year is probably the SoCon's highest since WWII at least. SoCon programs will have to invest more just to maintain that level, let alone trying to match the A-10 or MVC.
The Paladins just have to keep competing at the top of the SoCon, wherever its ranked, and sooner or later a meaningful post-season will happen.
Teams with rankings higher than Furman not in NCAA/NIT
39 Oklahoma State /ineligible
66 Kansas State 14-17 losing record
69 Fresno State
73 West Virginia 16-17 losing record
Only 1 team ranked higher (kenpom) that was eligible and had a winning record missed NIT/NCAA
39 Oklahoma State /ineligible
66 Kansas State 14-17 losing record
69 Fresno State
73 West Virginia 16-17 losing record
Only 1 team ranked higher (kenpom) that was eligible and had a winning record missed NIT/NCAA
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Yep and Fresno was only 19-13stonemd wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:39 pmTeams with rankings higher than Furman not in NCAA/NIT
39 Oklahoma State /ineligible
66 Kansas State 14-17 losing record
69 Fresno State
73 West Virginia 16-17 losing record
Only 1 team ranked higher (kenpom) that was eligible and had a winning record missed NIT/NCAA
I think we all knew deep down that we would get screwed over by whoever the jerk off's on the NIT committee were, NCAA is such a farce