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My gut reaction is they would be preferable to UTM, EKU, Austin Peay, etc. but not as preferable as Elon, W&M, Richmond, and NC A&T. I also have no idea what I'm talking about. How well various institutions fit in the SoCon involves a lot of variables that are beyond me.apaladin wrote:They are moving to FCS and just announced a home and home with Samford starting next year and a home and home with ETSU starting in 2025. Would they be a good addition to the SoCon? They have a 10k seat stadium. A 6-7000k seat basketball facility. They are 45 minutes west of Atlanta.
Thorny wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:57 pmMy gut reaction is they would be preferable to UTM, EKU, Austin Peay, etc. but not as preferable as Elon, W&M, Richmond, and NC A&T. I also have no idea what I'm talking about. How well various institutions fit in the SoCon involves a lot of variables that are beyond me.apaladin wrote:They are moving to FCS and just announced a home and home with Samford starting next year and a home and home with ETSU starting in 2025. Would they be a good addition to the SoCon? They have a 10k seat stadium. A 6-7000k seat basketball facility. They are 45 minutes west of Atlanta.
So, if the SoCon needed another public school on the west side of the conference to keep the Tennessee schools happy then they don't seem like a bad option but if the SoCon is expanding to build a stronger conference they aren't where I would start either.
Things *might* not be that simple. ETSU and Chat are beginning to grumble. If the Tennessee schools leave do WCU and UNCG feel they have a future with the conference? If the Tennessee schools leave would the SoCon still look like a good place to end up for other institutions or have the pull to poach schools from other conferences?apaladin wrote:I really would no be in favor of expansion if the current members stay. It’s a perfect number, play everyone in football and play everyone home and home in basketball. If someone leaves replace them and keep the current number of teams.
I imagine if you also counted up all the athletes added in the south via growing population and/or high school numbers and sizes in all those places, that would be a much larger number than 20 years ago too. So it’s not as though the athlete supply has stayed constant while demand increases.gofurman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 3:31 pmMORE SCHOLARSHIPS to dilute football in the south. Good grief - it is no coincidence that the winners are in the Dakotas and Montana. There are VERY FEW new FCS schools there to divide the talent ( "hey come play at Western Dakota and start as a freshman instead of waiting to be a junior at SDSU") -
Here I can't even name all the talent that is getting siphoned off.
Coastal Carolina 85 scholarships (was ZERO 20 years ago)
App State added 22
GSouthern added 22
KSU didn't exist now they are going to eat 85 scholarships at FBS; and many from Atlanta which is a big recruiting place for us
Georgia State didn't exist - now 85 scholarships; and many from Atlanta which is a big recruiting place for us
Campbell didn't play football?
Wofford was D2 and now takes 63 right up the road
Samford was D2(?) and now takes 63
Mercer did not have football and now takes 63 and many from Atlanta which is a big recruiting place for us
Charlotte did not have football and now takes 85 scholarships right up the road
Who did I not list that is nearby?
Greenville metro area alone has more people than the entire state of South Dakota. And South Carolina is a comparatively small state to its southern neighbors.Bootie wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:58 pmI imagine if you also counted up all the athletes added in the south via growing population and/or high school numbers and sizes in all those places, that would be a much larger number than 20 years ago too. So it’s not as though the athlete supply has stayed constant while demand increases.gofurman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 3:31 pmMORE SCHOLARSHIPS to dilute football in the south. Good grief - it is no coincidence that the winners are in the Dakotas and Montana. There are VERY FEW new FCS schools there to divide the talent ( "hey come play at Western Dakota and start as a freshman instead of waiting to be a junior at SDSU") -
Here I can't even name all the talent that is getting siphoned off.
Coastal Carolina 85 scholarships (was ZERO 20 years ago)
App State added 22
GSouthern added 22
KSU didn't exist now they are going to eat 85 scholarships at FBS; and many from Atlanta which is a big recruiting place for us
Georgia State didn't exist - now 85 scholarships; and many from Atlanta which is a big recruiting place for us
Campbell didn't play football?
Wofford was D2 and now takes 63 right up the road
Samford was D2(?) and now takes 63
Mercer did not have football and now takes 63 and many from Atlanta which is a big recruiting place for us
Charlotte did not have football and now takes 85 scholarships right up the road
Who did I not list that is nearby?
But that’s MISSING a piece of data. we are not getting the full picture. How many colleges draw from our high schools in Gville versus draw from South Dakota. Kids here want to play for Clemson or us. Or …. See my next postThe Jackal wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 6:33 amGreenville metro area alone has more people than the entire state of South Dakota. And South Carolina is a comparatively small state to its southern neighbors.Bootie wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:58 pmI imagine if you also counted up all the athletes added in the south via growing population and/or high school numbers and sizes in all those places, that would be a much larger number than 20 years ago too. So it’s not as though the athlete supply has stayed constant while demand increases.gofurman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 3:31 pmMORE SCHOLARSHIPS to dilute football in the south. Good grief - it is no coincidence that the winners are in the Dakotas and Montana. There are VERY FEW new FCS schools there to divide the talent ( "hey come play at Western Dakota and start as a freshman instead of waiting to be a junior at SDSU") -
Here I can't even name all the talent that is getting siphoned off.
Coastal Carolina 85 scholarships (was ZERO 20 years ago)
App State added 22
GSouthern added 22
KSU didn't exist now they are going to eat 85 scholarships at FBS; and many from Atlanta which is a big recruiting place for us
Georgia State didn't exist - now 85 scholarships; and many from Atlanta which is a big recruiting place for us
Campbell didn't play football?
Wofford was D2 and now takes 63 right up the road
Samford was D2(?) and now takes 63
Mercer did not have football and now takes 63 and many from Atlanta which is a big recruiting place for us
Charlotte did not have football and now takes 85 scholarships right up the road
Who did I not list that is nearby?