Don’t understand the but you can play ooc games. There’s no one to play except(for now)FBS schools.The Jackal wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:50 pmSouthland is out.
That really just leaves SoCon and OVC. Not great when the South Central Louisiana State University Mud Dogs are ahead of you on health policy.
https://www.southland.org/news/2020/8/1 ... ester.aspx
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I guess they’re ahead of Duke too.The Jackal wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:50 pmSouthland is out.
That really just leaves SoCon and OVC. Not great when the South Central Louisiana State University Mud Dogs are ahead of you on health policy.
https://www.southland.org/news/2020/8/1 ... ester.aspx
apaladin wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:53 pmDon’t understand the but you can play ooc games. There’s no one to play except(for now)FBS schools.The Jackal wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:50 pmSouthland is out.
That really just leaves SoCon and OVC. Not great when the South Central Louisiana State University Mud Dogs are ahead of you on health policy.
https://www.southland.org/news/2020/8/1 ... ester.aspx
I imagine that door is left open, but it seems fairly unrealistic at this point. I'm not aware of any schools that are able to cobble together a schedule without the support of their conference at this point. I know JMU and Elon tried.
Maybe someone manages it, but I'd be surprised.
Pat Forde has a pretty ominous article about those schools that attempt football in this environment: https://www.si.com/college/2020/08/12/n ... sec-big-12
One quote that jumped out:
I don't see any college voluntarily walking into that, especially when the vast majority of their peers are sitting it out.“Whatever conference(s) decides to play football this fall will be taking a ridiculously high risk they may soon regret. I know and have talked with some of the best plaintiff’s lawyers in the country this week, and they’re praying the SEC, Big 12 and/or the ACC are greedy enough to stay the course. If things go sideways, the plaintiff’s Bar will immediately get their hands on the internal financial analyses of the schools (a FOIA layup), get the conference financials through the discovery process, and then just stand in front of the jurors and point to the conferences that decided not to risk the health of their student-athletes. Good Lord, I’d hate to be the lawyers defending those cases.”
And the attorneys lining up to represent plaintiffs? “These are lawyers who’ve already slain bigger dragons than the SEC, and they can afford to finance the most expensive litigation on the planet. As a coalition, they’d be the legal equivalent of the Death Star.”
I think you have several possible outcomes here:
1. Don't play and nothing happens (decision looks bad)
2. Don't play and pandemic continues to cause major disruptions (decision looks good)
3. Play and nothing happens (decision looks good)
4. Play and pandemic continues to cause major disruptions (decision looks bad)
It's that last outcome that would scare the pants off me if I was a university administrator. Especially because, at this stage, you are mostly going it alone and would open the university up to major liability.
I really don’t get the “high risk”. These are 20 year old healthy athletes. 99.9% would never no they had it except for the massive amount of testing.
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I’ve still never seen an answer as to why Covid is so much more of a legal risk than CTE, heat stress, spinal injury etc. I guess the idea is that a pandemic is the ultimate ambulance to chase, and all you have to do is say pandemic and the jury asks how much you want. But why will lawyers wait around praying for an athlete to die somewhere when it is almost certain (given the huge number of students) that at least a few regular students will die somewhere?
And what if an athlete was enticed to enroll at a school, told for months how that school’s protocols would keep him safe and then those protocols were taken away (by cancellation) to save money. What if that kid then gets Covid from that campus, it goes undetected and he dies running around the neighborhood with no trainer?
And what if an athlete was enticed to enroll at a school, told for months how that school’s protocols would keep him safe and then those protocols were taken away (by cancellation) to save money. What if that kid then gets Covid from that campus, it goes undetected and he dies running around the neighborhood with no trainer?
If one looks at the states where FBS is going to occur vs the states where there will be no FBS football (a map from College Football USA) and compare it to the electoral map there is a good bit of correlation. Could be however that ACC and SEC are in the southeast. Interesting regardless.
I would think Duke is forced by the ACC as a conference. FWIW, Duke was the first team to withdraw from the ACC weekend basketball tourney the first day this started affecting sports. I have caught some heck about that from my UNC friends who told me "ACC basketball trumps a crisis"..Furmanoid wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:57 pmI guess they’re ahead of Duke too.The Jackal wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:50 pmSouthland is out.
That really just leaves SoCon and OVC. Not great when the South Central Louisiana State University Mud Dogs are ahead of you on health policy.
https://www.southland.org/news/2020/8/1 ... ester.aspx
Also, and I’m seriously curious, what is the usual award for wrongful death? Does a heat stroke death pay out less than a virus death for some reason? Why is that? If a single death would bankrupt a college, why do any of them allow athletics- even intramural?
The chair of the ACC medical advisers is a Duke Infectious Disease specialist. He said earlier this week that they have it handled.gofurman wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:44 pmI would think Duke is forced by the ACC as a conference. FWIW, Duke was the first team to withdraw from the ACC weekend basketball tourney the first day this started affecting sports. I have caught some heck about that from my UNC friends who told me "ACC basketball trumps a crisis"..Furmanoid wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:57 pmI guess they’re ahead of Duke too.The Jackal wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:50 pmSouthland is out.
That really just leaves SoCon and OVC. Not great when the South Central Louisiana State University Mud Dogs are ahead of you on health policy.
https://www.southland.org/news/2020/8/1 ... ester.aspx
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Every state is different. In Georgia, a plaintiff can recover the "full value of the life," which for a young Furman student would be a massive number to put to a jury. Plaintiff can also recover for the pain and suffering, so if it is a situation where someone suffers injury and then lingers in a hospital bed for weeks, that's tacked on too as a separate element of damage.Furmanoid wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:46 pmAlso, and I’m seriously curious, what is the usual award for wrongful death? Does a heat stroke death pay out less than a virus death for some reason? Why is that? If a single death would bankrupt a college, why do any of them allow athletics- even intramural?
Other states, like Alabama, predominately apply a punitive damages award. Basically, the jury just punishes the defendant. I don't know South Carolina's law, but on a glance it looks like a punitive damage state.
There is inherent risk in playing football. There are plenty of risks which a player assumes just by putting on the pads. They know that. The coaches know that.
There are other risks not inherent to playing football. Serious illness or death because your school opts to play football when no one else does is not inherent to playing football.
Ok I’ll look it up. Would this case (which by the way would be virtually impossible to prove) be tried in SC where 3-5 other schools will be playing and vitually all possible jurors and judges are sports fans or off in MA or someplace with no kinda common sense?
I thought most schools would require the players to sign waivers. So would these waivers be worthless in court?The Jackal wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:53 pmEvery state is different. In Georgia, a plaintiff can recover the "full value of the life," which for a young Furman student would be a massive number to put to a jury. Plaintiff can also recover for the pain and suffering, so if it is a situation where someone suffers injury and then lingers in a hospital bed for weeks, that's tacked on too as aFurmanoid wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:46 pmAlso, and I’m seriously curious, what is the usual award for wrongful death? Does a heat stroke death pay out less than a virus death for some reason? Why is that? If a single death would bankrupt a college, why do any of them allow athletics- even intramural?
separate element of damage.
Other states, like Alabama, predominately apply a punitive damages award. Basically, the jury just punishes the defendant. I don't know South Carolina's law, but on a glance it looks like a punitive damage state.
There is inherent risk in playing football. There are plenty of risks which a player assumes just by putting on the pads. They know that. The coaches know that.
There are other risks not inherent to playing football. Serious illness or death because your school opts to play football when no one else does is not inherent to playing football.
You really are beginning to sound like Jimmy....
BTW, Noid: "New cases CANNOT and never will reach zero. That is scientifically impossible.."
When's the last time somebody in SC tested positive for smallpox?
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