Quarles

[The Jackal]

He may end up being a great HC, a role where he was one of the best ever in the HS ranks. What he did not excel at was being a college OC. Furmanoid is right.. lots of really good young OC talent out there in the lower Divisions that would see Furman as a great opportunity to move up.

Yeah, I'm just the other way on this.

Going and getting an up and coming coordinator from the lower ranks sounds good, but it's not that simple. DII has different academic requirements than DI, and certainly different from the players Furman has to target. A lot of coaches at that level win with players Furman couldn't recruit.

I realize there is some uneasiness with the offense, but I like the scheme and if we can ever get some stability at the QB position, I think we'll be pretty good.

With Bratton, you've got a guy that Hendrix clearly trusts. He was one of two coaches retained from Fowler's staff. He's a Furman guy and hall of famer. He has credibility with players, coaches, and alums. He already knows the offensive system. He's already been promoted several times on the staff.

Are there offenses out there that put up more points and yards? Sure. Do I want to run the air raid like Samford - sprinting down the field and snapping the ball every 10 seconds? Absolutely not.

[Affirm]

He may end up being a great HC, a role where he was one of the best ever in the HS ranks. What he did not excel at was being a college OC. Furmanoid is right.. lots of really good young OC talent out there in the lower Divisions that would see Furman as a great opportunity to move up.

Quarles is a Furman alum.
Played on 1988 Championship team.
Good for him.
Also good for Furman.
Another FU college head coach.
With our luck (good luck or bad luck), he’ll be a great ETSU HC. Hopefully FU will be able to beat them more often than losing to them, but hopefully they’ll beat everyone else they play with him as HC.

[FU3]

He may end up being a great HC, a role where he was one of the best ever in the HS ranks. What he did not excel at was being a college OC. Furmanoid is right.. lots of really good young OC talent out there in the lower Divisions that would see Furman as a great opportunity to move up.

Yeah, I'm just the other way on this.

Going and getting an up and coming coordinator from the lower ranks sounds good, but it's not that simple. DII has different academic requirements than DI, and certainly different from the players Furman has to target. A lot of coaches at that level win with players Furman couldn't recruit.

I realize there is some uneasiness with the offense, but I like the scheme and if we can ever get some stability at the QB position, I think we'll be pretty good.

With Bratton, you've got a guy that Hendrix clearly trusts. He was one of two coaches retained from Fowler's staff. He's a Furman guy and hall of famer. He has credibility with players, coaches, and alums. He already knows the offensive system. He's already been promoted several times on the staff.

Are there offenses out there that put up more points and yards? Sure. Do I want to run the air raid like Samford - sprinting down the field and snapping the ball every 10 seconds? Absolutely not.

Not suggesting that we go out and get an OC that turns us in to Samford but that an infusion of a smart outside OC should be on the table. There are numerous examples of coaches coming from lower Divisions having great success moving up. FU plucked one from the lower ranks who had success here and seems to be doing pretty well at Mercer.

[FUBeAR]

He may end up being a great HC, a role where he was one of the best ever in the HS ranks. What he did not excel at was being a college OC. Furmanoid is right.. lots of really good young OC talent out there in the lower Divisions that would see Furman as a great opportunity to move up.

Yeah, I'm just the other way on this.

Going and getting an up and coming coordinator from the lower ranks sounds good, but it's not that simple. DII has different academic requirements than DI, and certainly different from the players Furman has to target. A lot of coaches at that level win with players Furman couldn't recruit.

I realize there is some uneasiness with the offense, but I like the scheme and if we can ever get some stability at the QB position, I think we'll be pretty good.

With Bratton, you've got a guy that Hendrix clearly trusts. He was one of two coaches retained from Fowler's staff. He's a Furman guy and hall of famer. He has credibility with players, coaches, and alums. He already knows the offensive system. He's already been promoted several times on the staff.

Are there offenses out there that put up more points and yards? Sure. Do I want to run the air raid like Samford - sprinting down the field and snapping the ball every 10 seconds? Absolutely not.

Again (and this is happening so frequently now (2x in less than a week) that FUBeAR scheduled a CTE Test next week), FUBeAR agrees with Jackal.

That said, FUBeAR would certainly invite the AHC/QBC from Ferris State (not a young guy though) & the HC from Valdosta State (the OC is a guy from WCU’s losing years & seems to be more of a QB Coach w/ an OC title) in for detailed interviews…including completely reviewing their philosophies, strategies, schemes, practice plans, and drills. If you watched the D2 Championship game, you saw an innovative option rushing attack (Coastal/Chadwell-like) from Ferris and VSU is setting all kinds of records on O in a place known for having ridiculous numbers on O.

[Furmanoid]

I think Jackal may object to bringing in guys who’ve been coaching dumb kids. So what about looking at oc’s from Wheaton (48.2 ppg), U of Chicago (48 ppg) or dumb ol Johns Hopkins (46.5 ppg)? Centre got something like 37 ppg. These are all diii smart kid schools.

I just can’t wrap my head around the idea of complaining (rightly) about a crappy offense for two years and then purposely perpetuating it by promoting from within it.

[Davemeister]

Since we're brainstorming: why not bring in the former HC from PC to install the No-Punt Offense? We have already signed a Blue Hose QB who knows the system.

Brain -Storm or Brain-Fart?

[The Jackal]

I think Jackal may object to bringing in guys who’ve been coaching dumb kids. So what about looking at oc’s from Wheaton (48.2 ppg), U of Chicago (48 ppg) or dumb ol Johns Hopkins (46.5 ppg)? Centre got something like 37 ppg. These are all diii smart kid schools.

I just can’t wrap my head around the idea of complaining (rightly) about a crappy offense for two years and then purposely perpetuating it by promoting from within it.

You realize that comparing DII Valdosta State with DIII Johns Hopkins is apples and oranges, right?

I don't have any issue with looking at lower division coaches. I just don't see the benefit of going and getting a guy from Kumquat State with no ties to the area or experience coaching at a private institution over the dude that's already on the staff.

[The Jackal]

Since we're brainstorming: why not bring in the former HC from PC to install the No-Punt Offense? We have already signed a Blue Hose QB who knows the system.

Brain -Storm or Brain-Fart?

You mean the dude that went 2-9 and left the program after one year?

No thanks.

[The Jackal]

He may end up being a great HC, a role where he was one of the best ever in the HS ranks. What he did not excel at was being a college OC. Furmanoid is right.. lots of really good young OC talent out there in the lower Divisions that would see Furman as a great opportunity to move up.

Yeah, I'm just the other way on this.

Going and getting an up and coming coordinator from the lower ranks sounds good, but it's not that simple. DII has different academic requirements than DI, and certainly different from the players Furman has to target. A lot of coaches at that level win with players Furman couldn't recruit.

I realize there is some uneasiness with the offense, but I like the scheme and if we can ever get some stability at the QB position, I think we'll be pretty good.

With Bratton, you've got a guy that Hendrix clearly trusts. He was one of two coaches retained from Fowler's staff. He's a Furman guy and hall of famer. He has credibility with players, coaches, and alums. He already knows the offensive system. He's already been promoted several times on the staff.

Are there offenses out there that put up more points and yards? Sure. Do I want to run the air raid like Samford - sprinting down the field and snapping the ball every 10 seconds? Absolutely not.

Not suggesting that we go out and get an OC that turns us in to Samford but that an infusion of a smart outside OC should be on the table. There are numerous examples of coaches coming from lower Divisions having great success moving up. FU plucked one from the lower ranks who had success here and seems to be doing pretty well at Mercer.

Cronic had Furman ties and came from a private school in Furman's recruiting area.

He also left after one year.

[bj93]

It won't be the HC from Valdosta, he's been announced as HC at McNeese St.

[Roundball]

Since we're brainstorming: why not bring in the former HC from PC to install the No-Punt Offense? We have already signed a Blue Hose QB who knows the system.

Brain -Storm or Brain-Fart?

No, no, no. That guy is a joke.

[bj93]

Would look at OC at Lenoir Rhyne.
https://lrbears.com/sports/football/ros ... y-soto/523

[The Jackal]

I just think we make too much of "creative" offensive minds and lose context.

In 2017 Bratton was on Drew Cronic's staff. Furman averaged 33 points a game

In 2018 Bratton was on George Quarles staff. Furman averaged 27 points per game. Good, not great.

In 2019 Furman averaged 34 points a game.

In 2020 Furman dropped to 21 points per game playing, essentially, with one QB.

In 2021 Furman averaged 25 points per game mostly starting a freshman.

In my view, if you are just going to dock Bratton for the weaker performances in 2020 and 2021 under Quarles, you also have to recognize that he was part of strong offenses in 2017-2019 under Cronic and Quarles.

What's the difference? Perhaps Furman had veteran QBs in 2017 and 2018 and was reliant on 1 scholarship player in 2020 and a freshman in 2021. Is that Bratton's fault?

Look at Bobby Lamb. His offense was terrible in 2003. Ingle Martin arrived and we had one of the nation's elite offenses in 2004 and 2005.

Did Lamb become a better offensive mind in the summer of 2004? No. He got a quarterback to play along side the same players.

[The Jackal]

It won't be the HC from Valdosta, he's been announced as HC at McNeese St.

There are a couple of DII schools, like Valdosta State and LR, that are pretty frequent revolving doors for coaching trying to quickly climb the ladder.

The number of "name" coaches that have come through the Valdosta State program is pretty impressive - Hal Mumme, Chris Hatcher, Mike Leach, Dana Holgorson, Will Muschamp, Kirby Smart, Kerwin Bell

[apaladin]

He may end up being a great HC, a role where he was one of the best ever in the HS ranks. What he did not excel at was being a college OC. Furmanoid is right.. lots of really good young OC talent out there in the lower Divisions that would see Furman as a great opportunity to move up.

….but are any FU graduates. Isn’t that a requirement?